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Readers' letters: Not impressed with crossing design 26/09/2008

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Published Date: 26 September 2008
Road chaos in Peterborough is not just a matter for motorists. Am I the only person in Peterborough baffled by the new-style puffin crossings installed at Town Bridge and London Road?
I believe these crossings are dangerous and very confusing as the "little man" signs are at low level next to the buttons and on the same side as the persons wishing to cross. Therefore not only are they obscured by the person stood next to the button but also others have to concentrate on the low level sign and direct their attention away from the highway.

Most people have no idea where the signal is or if it is the right one, and therefore they ignore it and take a chance with the traffic. The council appears to have realised how dangerous some of these are and has tried to remedy this fiasco with bits of plywood fixed to the lights (see photo).

The pedestrian crossings at the Peterborough Custom House and at London Road with its disco-like installation of 16 traffic light standards have become worse by being divided. The previous system involved pressing the button and crossing the road in one action. Now you press the button, cross part of the road and then have to press other buttons and wait to complete the transit. The audible signals have also gone, making the crossings much more difficult for the partially sighted.

The council has confirmed that the fees paid to the private consultants employed to design these will be in the region of £900,000-£950,000 of public money, but it has been reported that Birmingham City Council installed this type of crossing some time ago and found them so dangerous that they are now replacing them with the old style pelicans, and also this type of crossing has been blamed for accidents in Norwich. I would be very interested in the views of your readers about these installations.
Peter Slinger

Weak response in shop
It does not take much to clarify the reasons why youngsters go binge drinking, they have no concept of what ale is about. I happened to be in a queue at a local shop when a lad behind me was greedily clutching his latest purchase of lager.

As I turned round he looked at me and uttered his words with great gusto, "This is really the good stuff."

Letting him believe momentarily that he had managed to bag a bargain, I replied in a rather quizzical manner, "They're only around the 3.6 mark aren't they?" referring to the strength.

Initially, there was a vacant expression followed by a perplexed frown, and then the answer, "No, they're only eight quid off the shelf," consolidating the fact that youngsters have no conceivable idea of what they are consuming.
Mr J Gunning
Deerleap
South Bretton
Peterborough


What's taking so long
Why do they always do Fletton parkway and Nene parkway road works at the same time? It's a joke.

I have resorted driving from Deeping St James at 6.30am or normal times going across to Tallington, Barnack, A1 to work in Orton Southgate, and even then I'm getting held up behind people doing the same thing from Stamford to avoid the Carpenters Lodge road works on the A1.

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  • Last Updated: 26 September 2008 11:15 AM
  • Source: Peterborough ET
  • Location: Peterborough
 
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Trebs,

26/09/2008 12:12:29
When I use a ped crossing I press the button, wait for the green man, and cross. Not overly hard
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Gunthorpe Gunner,

26/09/2008 12:36:10
'10 minute journey' the majoirty of us poor motorists can only wish that was our normal commute. If you wish to cross from the North of the city and exit the South you cannot transit any direction unhindered at this present time. Lots of rat runs are being found - just try and avoid finding yourself at a right hand turn junction. Roadwork planning (so what if publicised well ahead) has been poor. What on earth are they still doing at the Fletton Parkway some 15 months on!

Wish I could cycle to work Mr Hammond - but I like a life outside work, one that doesn't involve permanent lengthy cycle journeys. Put that on your saddle.
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James_Werrington,

Peterborough 26/09/2008 12:41:38
Yes, but unless you’re the one pressing the button you’ve no idea if the green man is actually on or if people are trying to dart across in between cars.

In my opinion the whole department handling roads is a shambles and someone should be fired.
We’ve had several cases where crossings have gone up then come down then gone up again all costing tens of thousands of pounds a go.
We’ve got an unsafe crossing system at London road especially on match days when you’ve got 50 people trying to cross at once.
All this money is spent and no proper provision for cycling.
We’ve got a stretch of 2 thirds of a mile on the A15 near Morrisons up to the A47 where there are 5 different methods of crossing where there are 2 perfectly good foot bridges. It probably cost 100,000s to install the crossings and people can’t be bothered to wait for the green man anyway.

All this massive expense when there are places in dire need of a crossing.

Oh, and I’ve heard there’s a bit of traffic on the parkways at the moment…
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Amanda The Sheep,

At Work In Orton Southgate (I Drove Here!) 26/09/2008 13:43:34
OH FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THATS HOLY!!!!!!!

I am sick to the back teeth of people like Mr Hammond telling us to cycle.

I LIVE IN BOURNE!!!!! I cannot cycle to work and back from Bourne!

And so what if the ET report on the roadworks....it's all that's going on here.
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Amanda The Sheep,

Feeling Sheepish 26/09/2008 13:44:40
Ignore what I said about nothing going on here.....there's puffin crossing fiascos and other such matters.....
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DirtyCity,

26/09/2008 15:02:19
The actually payed clowns to design that crossing. LOOK at the funny side... the workers in the council behind these changes work in bridge house... ha.. the fools cant even plan the way into their own building!
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Trebs,

26/09/2008 15:55:16
Actually, traffic flows smoother northbound as a result of the changes; and it will do southbound once the lane restriction is removed, so yes, they are working well - it's a result of having split crossings stopping 2-lanes rather than stopping 4-lanes at once
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thebaron,

orton longueville 26/09/2008 23:00:52
The other day as I was coming up from Oundle road onto the lane to turn right for Fletton this idiot came tearing round the corner and straight into my lane, speeding head on towards me. I swerved to the lane on my left to avoid him and watched him in my mirror use the lane to turn into the fairground car park. Everyone I know who uses this bridge now , says how terrifying and confusing it is.
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mrbrown,

29/09/2008 10:39:54
I first encountered this type of crossing a few months ago in Bolton, and realised immediately how dangerous they were when I was in the middle of the road and couldn't see in front of me whether there was a green or a red man, and there was no audible sound.
I was disappointed to see them installed on the town bridge, and experienced the same problem of not being able to see the red or green man. It needs to be clearly seen by the pedestrian making the crossing. If you are late at the crossing and decide to cross, as we all do, you don't know if the lights have changed while you are crossing, and therefore in imminent danger of being run down.
Also, how are blind and partially sighted people supposed to be able to safely cross?
I'm disappointed to see the cost to the public purse has been about £900,000. They need to be removed immediately, and I agree entirely with Peter Slinger. They are frightening to use, and probably impossible for the blind or partially sighted.
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Bodie,

29/09/2008 12:00:33
They do actually make a loud continuous bleeping which is the signal to cross !!!!!
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